Champions League Qualifying draw 2010-11

[Tonybhoy cfc]

Originally Posted by Bergkamp95-06

Top 16 in order just because you mentioned it. Last season

Ukraine
England
Spain
Germany
Italy
France
Russia
Denmark
Turkey
Portugal
Greece
Cyprus
Holland
Poland
Slovakia
Belgium

This year.

Germany
England (Fulham are Englands highest point scorers last year with 26.0)
Spain
Italy
France
Portugal
Netherlands
Austria
Belgium
Greece
Turkey
Isreal
Russia
Romainia
Ukraine
Switzerland

Edit - The country coeffients are worked out from just the previous season. Not the previous 5.

Well everyone of those countries should have their Champions straight in and Celtic and the rest have to play qualifiers i have no problem with that it makes it a more fair competition rather than having a team finishing third in their league going straight in.

[CelticBhoy1990]

Originally Posted by baggy

The main reason there is so much money in the CL is because all the big teams are playing together.You replace that and make it all champions only and the Money involved will dramatically decrease.

exactly your spot on and thats why uefa do their best to ensure the majority of big name clubs make it into it every year.

but is that really fair? probably not because it doesn't give the smaller countries much of a chance of improvement, or even getting their name on the european map.

but that's the way it is, that's life.

[BigBlueMachine]

Im not complaining this season, we are in automatically despite being awful in it last season

[DeadlyDemon]

Still don't agree with seeded/non seeded. Happy enough with that though, as I've said previously Celtic are probably the only side I'd want to avoid.

Saying that I'd have loved Ajax at the Lane

[TOM OAFC]

Originally Posted by Tonybhoy cfc

I know celtic have been shit last couple of years but Braga are there not due to the Club but due to the league and tbh the full process even Celtic aside annoys me, why should England get three places straight in, its is a complete joke imo, since it is the CL only Champions should go straight in everyone else plays qualifiers with no seeds imo.

How the hell can you have ago at there league. The league in Portugal is by far more competitive and harder to win than the Scottish league which is a dull 2 horse race. The fact you got Sporting, Benfica and Porto, plus Boavista think you should eat your own words.

[Tonybhoy cfc]

Originally Posted by TOM OAFC

How the hell can you have ago at there league. The league in Portugal is by far more competitive and harder to win than the Scottish league which is a dull 2 horse race. The fact you got Sporting, Benfica and Porto, plus Boavista think you should eat your own words.

Am not having a go at their league unlike some posters i don't base what i think of a team on the league they play in, the qualifying process is completely unfair and cuts off all competition from across the board.

So don't accuse me of Bringing down another league when that is BS i have said that i don't feel someone like Braga deserves to be seeded ahead of Celtic (nothing against Braga in the slightest just my view on things) and i also think it is rubbish that a team that can finish third in their domestic league can get straight entry in to the CHAMPIONS league ahead of teams who are actually CHAMPIONS of their domestic league.

And i await the usual but that's in a harder league etc it is still not the point and makes a complete joke of the competition, i would rather see the Champions of Malta and Sweden go straight into the CHAMPIONS league because they are CHAMPIONS, the competition is the most biased in the world of sport and that is why i don't like it.

Edit: Aye a dull two horse race what has La Liga and the prem been for the last few years then.

[TOM OAFC]

Ok i thought you where taking a dig although i do argree with alot of your points and yeah Celtic may have more experince in Europe but i still feel how a team finishes there season on merit achieves more than past European competitons unless you win it or the main group stage draw itself.

I agree with what your saying about the 3rd and 4th place sides they should be made to qualify from the earliest rounds possible. I think if Scotland had a 3rd champs league spot, the standard would improve teams would play better games and that extra revenue would allow them to keep there better players out the clutches of the old firm.

[Tonybhoy cfc]

Originally Posted by TOM OAFC

Ok i thought you where taking a dig although i do argree with alot of your points and yeah Celtic may have more experince in Europe but i still feel how a team finishes there season on merit achieves more than past European competitons unless you win it or the main group stage draw itself.

I agree with what your saying about the 3rd and 4th place sides they should be made to qualify from the earliest rounds possible. I think if Scotland had a 3rd champs league spot, the standard would improve teams would play better games and that extra revenue would allow them to keep there better players out the clutches of the old firm.

Exactly i just want to see a fair competition for all and not teams getting an easy route just due to the league they play in.

[CelticBhoy1990]

Originally Posted by TOM OAFC

How the hell can you have ago at there league. The league in Portugal is by far more competitive and harder to win than the Scottish league which is a dull 2 horse race. The fact you got Sporting, Benfica and Porto, plus Boavista think you should eat your own words.

Boavista are in the 2nd division

Plus their league is a 2 horse race also

Most years between Porto and Benfica

Sporting Braga appeared from knowhere to finish 2nd last year and Sporting 4th.

But there are 2 main teams in that league also because sporting lisbon don't challenge often enough

[HUNT IS GOD]

Originally Posted by Dutch Don

Can't agree more tbh, although it would be even beter to only allow champions in the CL.

or rename it champions and rich also rans league

[the c-man]

Originally Posted by Tonybhoy cfc

And i await the usual but that's in a harder league etc it is still not the point and makes a complete joke of the competition, i would rather see the Champions of Malta and Sweden go straight into the CHAMPIONS league because they are CHAMPIONS, the competition is the most biased in the world of sport and that is why i don't like it.

You don't like the CL? Away and don't talk shite.

Anyway, don't you know that Qualifying for the CL has been changed in the last couple of years to allow more Champions to Qualify?

That's why there is a Champions path and a Non-Champions path. The sides who finished 2nd/3rd/4th in the domestic league compete against each other for 5 places, and the Champions of the lesser countries qualify against each other for the other 5. So you can hardly say its biased.

You wouldn't be flapping your gums if your heroes in green and grey hoops had qualified automaticly.

[Tonybhoy cfc]

Originally Posted by the c-man

You don't like the CL? Away and don't talk shite.

Anyway, don't you know that Qualifying for the CL has been changed in the last couple of years to allow more Champions to Qualify?

That's why there is a Champions path and a Non-Champions path. The sides who finished 2nd/3rd/4th in the domestic league compete against each other for 5 places, and the Champions of the lesser countries qualify against each other for the other 5. So you can hardly say its biased.

You wouldn't be flapping your gums if your heroes in green and grey hoops had qualified automaticly.

Yes they have gave a few more nations rightfully a better chance to qualify.

But when a team that finishes 4th in their division are seeded above the CHAMPIONS from a domestic league then the competition is biased and only geared towards making the rich richer, yes i would like Celtic to be in it due to the financial implications it will have for the club but that does not mean i have to respect the competition because i do not and until i see even more changes to it then i will continue not to respect the competition.

No country should get more than two entrants imo.
And i will flap my gums all i like so get back in your cage.

[the c-man]

You keep highlighting the word Champions then go onto say that no country should get more than 2 teams... bit of a contadiction there

Personally I would like it if it was a tournament only for Champions, straight knockout..... but its not gonna happen.

So while the format stays as it is, I would rather watch Arsenal v Real Madrid (Two Non-Champs) than some gang from Moldova playing a bunch of fisherman from the Faroes.

Anyway, in a couple of weeks your not going to have to worry about the CL

[Godders9]

Absolutely delighted to see Sampdoria qualify for the UCL last season after a fantastic season in Serie A. Praying that Samp can avoid Spurs in the qualifying rounds and if Pazzini, Palombo and Cassano stay it should be possible - I'd even fancy Samp to beat Spurs over two legs if they're fit.

It would be a huge shame to get in to the UCL and then not make the group stages. In fact, it'd piss me right off

[luke80]

Originally Posted by Tonybhoy cfc

Sporting Braga seeded ahead of celtic shows exactly what is wrong with this competitions qualifying process.

PS: I'm sorry Tony - I know it's not over yet, but it had to be done.

[Tonybhoy cfc]

Originally Posted by luke80

PS: I'm sorry Tony - I know it's not over yet, but it had to be done.

And i stand by with what i said. Braga were the best out of two bad teams last night.

[NavanDrog]

Originally Posted by Tonybhoy cfc

And i stand by with what i said. Braga were the best out of two bad teams last night.

Best by a long way. Scottish football is only slightly ahead of Irish football now, and theyve both gone backwards over the past year.

[RiccardoPiccio]

Going to try and estimate what the pots will look like when the Champions League is drawn, even though we are a few rounds away from the group stage draw yet.

Out of the current teams i would say

Pot 1 - Barcelona, Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Lyon, AC Milan and Inter
Pot 2 - Real Madrid, AS Roma, Benfica, Valencia, Shakhtar, Marseille
Pot 3 - Rangers, Panathinikos, Schalke, Rubin Kazan, Spartak Moscow
Pot 4 - Bursaspor, CFR Cluj, Twente

Now if we throw in the potential qualifiers for the tournament, their rankings could be the following if they make it through the qualification.

Tottenham - Pot 2/3
Zenit - Pot 3
Sevilla - Pot 2
Werder Bremen - Pot 2
Sampdoria - Pot 3
Ajax - Pot 3
Auxerre - Pot 4
Braga - Pot 4
Dynamo Kiev - Pot 4
Unirea Urziceni - Pot 4
Celtic - Pot 3/4
Fenerbache - Pot 3

[RD4L]

Why would Lyon be in pot 1 when they did not even win the title in their domestic league last season?

[zippy]

Originally Posted by RiccardoPiccio

Pot 1 - Barcelona, Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Lyon, AC Milan and Inter

Originally Posted by RD4L

Why would Lyon be in pot 1 when they did not even win the title in their domestic league last season?

Neither did you or the other two highlighted teams for that matter, but you are fairly certain to be in the top group.